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froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Sep 2011, 22:33

I'd like to get FrooServe revived again.
We had to do a local move to our new house, and get a wireless router.
Trouble is, the FrooServe host is now downstairs, and can't get reception from
the wireless router. It did before, but it really sucked. Even my wife's computer
had poor reception, and it's right down the hall. The home was built in the 1980s
I believe, and I suspect the wall is fairly 'dense', causing interference. The setup
looks sort of like this:

Router
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Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall Wall
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Computer

So the signal is bouncing all over the place, and the direct line to the computer
is basically being absorbed/reflected/refracted by the wall. Interestingly enough, the
laptop works just fine downstairs. Maybe it's the antennas I bought that don't work so well.

Maybe that doesn't matter. In any event, I got tired of the timeout b.s. and just ran
a cat5 LAN cable directly from the router to the computer. Works great now! Looks good
too. I ran the cable so it is hidden. If it were white in color, it'd be even more transparent,
but it's blue instead. Meh.

So I told the homeowner I'd like to run some network cable downstairs, along with coax (for cable TV).
He's a contractor - he works on high end houses, doing this type of thing for a living. He's also
a big fan of estate sales and garage sales. So he got a spool of LAN cable with about 350 ft. on it,
for $17. BOOYAH!

The long and short of this is, once we get the wired connections going, I plan to start FrooServe again.
I couldn't do it with this wireless P.O.S. connection. I'll letcha know when it gets setup.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 07 Sep 2011, 01:37

Cool, I'll be interested.

Dragneye · Post by **Dragneye** » 29 Nov 2011, 23:07

What's the latest on this Froo?

froo · Post by **froo** » 30 Nov 2011, 01:54

Hey Dragneye.
We have not been able to run the LAN cable downstairs yet.
Sorry I have not updated this thread.
Thanks for bringing it to the front!

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 30 Nov 2011, 06:42

Hey cool, a server! How does that work? I've never had a collab 3D environment before!!.. Is this for a shared 3D space with TS? Or does this have another function?

Dragneye · Post by **Dragneye** » 01 Dec 2011, 19:08

Draise, it's a very cool idea. We had gotten into this a while back. Froo, and some others, were enhancing the capabilities. When Microsoft bought tS, the biggest rumor was this was the reason they did it for. Don't know, but I thought it was the closest most of us got to actualizing VR for every day use.
Hey Froo... Last I remember we were having drinks poolside on some tall bridge; jokes running freely

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 01 Dec 2011, 19:31

Another cool feature is the fact that two or more people can model at the same time on the same model in shared space.

froo · Post by **froo** » 02 Dec 2011, 14:44

Hahahaha Dragneye!

I like that feature too Steinie.
Yeah Draise, it is a 3d Collaboration environment.
It's not perfect of course but it's fun.
Caligari used to host a Thursday night event called TNL!
(Thursday Night Live!). One of the highlights of that event
was a modelling competition: two competitors would create
a model in record time while those gathered watched.
That was pretty cool!

Stan and trueBlue both had servers up and running at one
point; not sure if they have the opportunity to revive theirs
or not.

stan · Post by **stan** » 02 Dec 2011, 15:10

mine is just never turned on..I think the address is always changing too.

froo · Post by **froo** » 05 May 2012, 01:22

Ok so hopefully this weekend we will replace the lights downstairs (the cursed low hanging chandeliers); I think the original homeowners were elves; these things hang down so they are about 5 feet above the ground. I stand over 6 feet so, it kinda sucks.

Then we can run the LAN cable downstairs where my 'FrooServe' computer is located. Unfortunately I lost the domain name: FrooSpace or FrooServe or whatever the hell it was so I will have to come up with something else. I suspect we will have to run it up to the attic, then down through the wall. We'll see what the homeowner says; he does this for a living.
Then, I can start the server again. That is, if it's interesting to folks. It's a pretty nifty thing.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 05 May 2012, 02:11

Server?

I would like an iced mocha please.

froo · Post by **froo** » 05 May 2012, 14:22

hehe Ok. I'll have to put that in there...

v3rd3 · Post by **v3rd3** » 06 May 2012, 06:28

how bout froofrooserve.net?

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 May 2012, 15:18

hehe that may work v3rd3.

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 May 2012, 01:54

mmmm I dunno... froo-froo sounds like the name of a very spoiled miniature poodle or something. Not that there's anything WRONG with that. Just not too cool a name for a server... heh ... Froo froo.

I am going to see if I can get an omnidirectional booster antenna for the wireless router tonight; see if that makes a difference. I'm kinda tired of waiting on running that dang LAN cable so, $9.99 isn't too bad. Worth a shot at least. I don't know what kind of success I can expect with trueServe using a wireless connection though; guess we'll find out!

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 May 2012, 03:13

Well that won't work; this router does not have external antennas.

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 16 May 2012, 04:00

Oh.. that sucks. Would a LAN to a booster wireless router help out?

Once I get my internet upgraded I'll be hosting a server.. Once I remember how to do it. (Need to make a tutorial.)

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 May 2012, 04:40

Hey Draise. I can help you out with that. It's not too hard to do.

I was hoping to avoid spending the money. I can wait of course til we can run the damn lan cable but it's just annoying that's all.

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 16 May 2012, 04:59

Yeah, I get what you mean. Always had troubles with networks...

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 May 2012, 14:23

When I bought the router it was an 'emergency' type situation. We just moved to this new house, my old router did not work; it was a rev-G model from 5 years before. Had to get a rev-N router, not knowing anything about wireless connectivity. Gah!

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 May 2012, 16:38

Just spoke with the homeowner. I asked if we could run the LAN cable before replacing the low hanging lights downstairs, since the lack of net access is preventing me from participating in some online projects. He said we could do that. So hopefully we can get this done this weekend. I can use the laptop but it's sitting on a desk I've had since I was like, 12 years old or something. It's a nice desk, but a little too small for staying there for extended periods of time. The other computer is on a very large desk, with dual monitors, so I have plenty of space and leg room. Yeah I could use the laptop there but why not use both?

froo · Post by **froo** » 20 May 2012, 00:21

Got the LAN cable run. Now I need to run over to Micro Center to pick up some LAN connectors and a crimping tool.

froo · Post by **froo** » 21 May 2012, 03:39

well I may not be able to get this to work after all.
I cannot seem to get the computer (XP machine) an IP address from the router. I have no idea what is going on.
The cable is fine; I tested it on the laptop. So I do not know what's going on. I should be getting an ip address from the router. Maybe this would require a full windows reinstall, since that XP computer has been moved around, its used wireless and wired networking, etc. I dunno. It may be better (as Marcel has said before) to keep that computer 'off the net' and use it for 3d exclusively. I guess I need to use a thumb drive to transfer stuff then. F*CK. Oh well.

Cayenne · Post by **Cayenne** » 21 May 2012, 08:59

bummer ...... at a guess ,,, you might have to manually give your network card on the machine a ip address to use , currently I am guessing that the router is dishing it one from its dhcp server and for some reason the adapter doesnt quite get it so would need to be configured to be able to be seen on the network.

I think I had issues with win98 and a similar problem , but as far as I remember xp never caused this issue with me in the past.

maybe some windows network guru on the forums could pipe in with more accurate decription than i can give.

regards
Paul

froo · Post by **froo** » 21 May 2012, 13:39

Well this morning it works. Heh.
I rebooted, and the LAN connection is hot. We'll see if it lasts.
I did try manually assigning an ip address yesterday, with no luck.
The computer time was way off as well: May ## 2003. So, maybe the
CMOS battery discharged? I dunno. Anyway.
I updated Norton, java, etc. and will probably have to update more stuff as I go.
As for trueServe, if the net connection persists, I can get it going. Man. What a pain!

I noticed I was getting an error on bootup, which I thought was related to the LAN connection:

PXE-E61 Invalid media, or something like that. Hopefully I don't have a bad mobo now, but we'll see.
I googled that; it's not LAN related.

stan · Post by **stan** » 21 May 2012, 13:48

I just got an ip addy from my router that seems to work on my server from truespace..I use to get the address from the ts forum, not sure if we can get one by checking our addy on this forum.

just found this one for you froo...in mod panel 76.25.237.132 seems to be where you are now

froo · Post by **froo** » 21 May 2012, 16:20

Cool thanks stan. I'll double check that when I get home.
Installed a bunch of Microsoft updates, Norton updates, Adobe updates, etc.
Rebooted (power cycle) and the internet connection is still good. I guess it took awhile for
the router to 'find' the computer. I dunno. Anyway.

I am glad it is online now.
I will try to get a trueServe instance up and running.

froo · Post by **froo** » 23 May 2012, 05:13

Haaaaahhhh the link is still hot. Goooood gooood goood. heheheheheh... muwahahahahahahh1!!

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 23 May 2012, 19:47

So we can get into a space you're making soon? What is the address?

froo · Post by **froo** » 24 May 2012, 03:45

yeah I have to fire it up soon. The computer is still online which is good; just got paranoid about that after the fiasco I had with it .

I am reinstalling trueServe; can't find it on my computer for some reason. Strange.

I am also looking at 3d sites for their news pages, and my wife and I are helping with the Colorado Film Festival, screening films for entry. Most are good. Some, well, you know.

froo · Post by **froo** » 28 May 2012, 19:58

Had trouble with the lan card. I got that funny error: PXE ... check connection. I found an old LAN card in the dead computer. I put that in, and I never get that error. The one problem I have with it is, the connector does not 'click and hold' in place. As long as I don't jar the computer, the connection is solid. So I wonder if I should 'duct tape it' into place. Meh. Anyway. I'll try this connection for awhile, but I think it is going to work.

The old computer is definitely dead; I was considering hosting a trueServe on it. Got a new power supply; the cpu cooling fan was on, but there were no beep codes, no text on the monitor, etc. So, that idea is out.

Dragneye · Post by **Dragneye** » 29 May 2012, 07:03

Wouldn't mind having another virtual drink with you bud. . .
(Just for the record

)
Last time we were poolside somewhere high in the clouds if you remember

froo · Post by **froo** » 29 May 2012, 14:50

Heheh yeah I remember Dragneye!

froo · Post by **froo** » 30 May 2012, 14:30

I was able to login to a space I created, from the same machine. I had forgotten how to check the port number.
Next thing is to configure the router (port forwarding, I believe it's called). Slow progress but that's due to limited time I have.

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 30 May 2012, 21:46

They say slow and steady wins the race. It's all sounding pretty good.

froo · Post by **froo** » 31 May 2012, 14:27

Thanks clinton. I was able to login. I checked the manual; turns out I needed to drill into the network node to check the port. It was 1111. I was logging into the "Name' of the space: TestSpace. heh.

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 31 May 2012, 14:49

Yay great progress! When can we login to your space? Is there a data that seems plausible??

froo · Post by **froo** » 31 May 2012, 15:23

Ok I think I got it setup. I have to get myself to work but login and give it a go!

Click the two eyeballs in the trueSpace 7.61 Workspace interface, lower right corner.

In the top address bar type:

//76.25.237.132/1111

Enter a username (any will do)
No password required

Click the 'Remember' checkbox

Click: Login

And you're in.

I need to setup a domain name again with dyndns.org. I can do that tonight.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 31 May 2012, 15:38

Any plan that requires the use of duct tape is a good one.
Carry on.

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 31 May 2012, 17:08

Hey cool, I got in, but then I forgot to log out and shut TS down forcefully (tried running a script that crashed it). Was fun! Did my changes stay? That shark is awesome! Did you make that?

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 31 May 2012, 18:46

I got in. Looks like nothing gets saved though.

froo · Post by **froo** » 01 Jun 2012, 00:12

Thanks guys, I'll have to check that about saving stuff you drop in the scene.

Draise, I believe that shark was made by noko (David). Folks, please correct me if I am wrong. Yeah that is pretty cool!

stan · Post by **stan** » 01 Jun 2012, 00:33

shark = Glen Gordon

froo · Post by **froo** » 01 Jun 2012, 01:03

Ah yes thanks Stan! I will have to re-thank him!

froo · Post by **froo** » 01 Jun 2012, 03:16

it is back up.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 01 Jun 2012, 03:27

Getting a "Connection Refused Du To Different Network Interface Version" error.

Sounds vaguely familiar.

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 01 Jun 2012, 05:17

Working for me. I see the shark and I see my avatar node in the scene.

MikomDude · Post by **MikomDude** » 01 Jun 2012, 08:29

Works for me but it did crash trueSpace the first time I tried it

froo · Post by **froo** » 02 Jun 2012, 15:00

Hey spacekdet.
If you get that you may be using either ts 7.6, or 'maybe' 7.61 with model and workspace?

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 02 Jun 2012, 17:21

Ah, yep, it's the bipolar Model/Workspace version I have installed.

I could never commit to the WS-only one for all the usual reasons.

stan · Post by **stan** » 02 Jun 2012, 17:24

it should work with the bipolar version of 7.61b, just not 7.6

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 02 Jun 2012, 17:53

He he he.. Bipolar!

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 03 Jun 2012, 17:41

Now I remember.
I usually just used truePlay for shared spaces.
Maybe I'll try that.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 03 Jun 2012, 19:19

truePlay was a No-Go.
It's hardwired to connect to a now dead Caligari server.

Installing 7.61 next, I guess.

Seems like an awful lot of work just to look at a bunch of top-hat-wearing eyeballs.

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Jun 2012, 02:46

I powered off the machine til I have time enough to put something interesting in there; no sense wasting electricity and $$ on a blank scene.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 06 Jun 2012, 12:48

Not that I mind top hats.

I appreciate the time you (and Draise) are putting into getting these going again.

Looking forward to a real old fashioned Thursday Night Live type of scenario (channeling Norm there for a second)... whenever you are ready.

trueBlue · Post by **trueBlue** » 06 Jun 2012, 13:20

Here is the old Thusday Night Meeting room if you like. Little less than 3MB.

Created by Emmanuel.

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Jun 2012, 14:29

thanks trueblue.
No worries spacekdet. I'm just very tied up with putting out fires.

stan · Post by **stan** » 06 Jun 2012, 21:52

spacekdet, you can still use trueplay it would just need a launch scene to open that would send you there to Draise's or Froo's, or just put the address in the chat window which works as it should. I'm in draise's space with trueplay as I write this...

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